Bob Juch's Kin

Ancestors of Robert Erwin William Juch

Twenty-Eighth Generation

(Continued)

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Robert II d'Ewyas Baron of Ewyas Harold was born about 1146 and died 1198.

They had the following children:

76322915	F	i	Petronilla Scudamore was born about 1145 and died after 1204.
	M	ii	Elias Scudamore was born 1148 in Upton Scudamore, Wiltshire, England.

They had the following children:

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Robert de Vipont was born 1158 and died 1227.

They had the following children:

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Idonea de Busli was born about 1175 and died 1240.

152645844. William de Ferrers 3rd Earl of Derby is printed as #152645730.

152645845. Sybil de Braose is printed as #152645731.

They had the following children:

	F	i	Gather de Ferrers was born 1168 in Chartley, Staffordshire, England. She died 4 Sep 1201 in France.
	F	ii	Millicent de Ferrers was born 1 about 1060 in Wigmore, Herfordshire, England. She died before 10 Mar 1087/1088.
76322922	M	iii	William II de Ferrers 4th Earl of Derby was born 1172 and died 22 Sep 1247.
	F	iv	Petronella de Ferrers was born about 1175 in Ferrers, Derbyshire, England.

152645846. Hugh de Kevelioc 5th Earl of Chester Vicomte de Avranches is printed as #117966926.

152645847. Bertrade de Montfort is printed as #117966927.

They had the following children:

	F	i	Hawise de Meschines 1 was born 1 1170 in Chester, Cheshire, England. She died 2 before 3 Mar 1242/1243.
	F	ii	Beatrix de Meschines was born about 1170 in Kevelioc, Monmouthshire, Wales.
	F	iii	Matilda de Kevelioc "Maud" 1, 2 was born 3 1171 in Chester, Chestershire, England. She died 6 Jan 1232/1233.
	M	iv	Ranulph de Blundeville Earl of Chester 4th was born about 1172. He died 1232.
	F	v	Mabel de Meschines 1, 2 was born about 1172 in Chester, Cheshire, England. She died before 1232 in Chester, Cheshire, England.
	F	vi	Helga de Meschines was born about 1173 in Kevelioc, Monmouthshire, Wales.
76322923	F	vii	Agnes de Meschines was born about 1174 and died 2 Nov 1247.
	F	viii	Amicia de Meschines was born about 1177 in Kevelioc, Merionethshire, Wales. She died in Chester, Cheshire, England. The earl had another dau., whose legitimacy is questionable, namely, Amicia, * m. to Ralph de Mesnilwarin, justice of Chester, "a person," says Dugdale, "of very ancient family," from which union the Mainwarings, of Over Peover, in the co. Chester, derive. Dugdale considers Amicia to be a dau. of the earl by a former wife. But Sir Peter Leicester, in his Antiquities of Chester, totally denies her legitimacy. "I cannot but mislike," says he, "the boldness and ignorance of that herald who gave to Mainwaring (late of Peover), the elder, the quartering of the Earl of Chester's arms; for if he ought of right to quarter that coat, then must he be descended from a co-heir to the Earl of Chester; but he was not; for the co-heirs of Earl Hugh married four of the greatest peers in the kingdom." * Upon the question of this lady's legitimacy there was a long paper war between Sir Peter Leicester and Sir Thomas Mainwaring---and eventually the matter was referred to the judges, of whose decision Wood says, "a tan assize held at Chester, 1675, the controversy was decided by the justices itinerant, who, as I have heard, adjudged the right of the matter to Mainwaring." [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, pp. 365-6, Meschines, Earls of Chester]

They had the following children:

	F	i	Petronella FitzPiers was born about 1158 in Shere Farmbridge, Essex, England.
76322924	M	ii	Geoffrey FitzPiers 4th Earl of Essex was born before 1163 and died 14 Oct 1213.

152645851. Maud de St. Hilary is printed as #117966925.

They had the following children:

	M	i	John de Clare was born 1136/1164. He died 1142/1243.
	F	ii	Mabel de Clare was born 1136/1164. She died 1141/1246.
	M	iii	Richard de Clare 4th Earl of Hertford was born about 1153 in Tunbridge Castle, Kent, England. He died 1, 2 1217. Richard de Clare, 4th Earl of Hertford, who in the 7th Richard I gave 1000 pounds to the king for livery of the lands of his mother's inheritance with his proportion of those sometime belonging to Giffard, Earl of Buckingham. His lordship m. Amicia, 2nd dau. and co-heiress (with her sisters Mabell, wife of the Earl of Evereux, in Normandy, and Isabel, the divorced wife of King John) of William, Earl of Gloucester, by whom he had issue, Gilbert, his successor, and Joan, m. to Rhys-Grig, Prince of South Wales. This earl, who was one of the twenty-five barons appointed to enforce Magna Carta, d. in 1218, and was s. by his son, Gilbert de Clare, 5th Earl of Hertford. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 119, Clare, Lords of Clare, Earls of Hertford, Earls of Gloucester]
	F	iv	Elana de Clare was born about 1155 in Tunbridge Castle, Kent, England.
76322925	F	v	Aveline de Clare was born 1172 and died before 4 Jun 1225.

They had the following children:

	F	i	Margaret Bigod 1, 2 was born about 1183 in Norfolk, England. She died 1237.
76322926	M	ii	Hugh Bigod 3rd Earl of Norfolk was born 1186 and died 18 Feb 1244.
	F	iii	Mary Bigod 1, 2 was born about 1196 in Thetford, Norfolk, England.

152645856. Roger de Clare Earl of Hertford is printed as #152645850.

152645857. Maud de St. Hilary is printed as #117966925.

They had the following children:

	M	i	John de Clare was born 1136/1164. He died 1142/1243.
	F	ii	Mabel de Clare was born 1136/1164. She died 1141/1246.
76322928	M	iii	Richard de Clare 4th Earl of Hertford was born about 1153 and died 1217.
	F	iv	Elana de Clare was born about 1155 in Tunbridge Castle, Kent, England.
	F	v	Aveline de Clare was born 1172 in Hereford, Herefordshire, England. She died 1 before 4 Jun 1225 in England.

They had the following children:

	M	i	Robert FitzWilliam was born in Cardiff, Wales. He died 1166 in Cardiff, Wales.
	F	ii	Mabel FitzRobert of Gloucester 1 was born about 1152 in Tewksbury, Gloucestershire, England. She died 1198 in Evereux, Eure, Normandy, France. [From Burke' Peerage - see source for details] John (King of ENG) prevented her (Isabel, youngest daughter of William FitzRobert) taking a second husband at all for the time being, however, and exchanged the Earldom of Gloucester with Aumarie de Montfort, son of William FitzRobert's eldest daughter Mabel, for the Comte of Evereux, which he then used as a dowry to secure the marriage of his niece Blanche with the King of France's son. Aumarie died childless.
76322929	F	iii	Amicia Countess of Gloucester was born 1160 and died 1 Jan 1224/1225.
	F	iv	Isabel FitzRobert Countess of Gloucester 1 was born about 1165 in Tewksbury, Gloucestershire, England. She died 1 14 Oct 1217 and was buried 1 in Canterbury Cathedral, Canterbury, Kent, England. John divorced her on the ground of consanguinity; her grandfather Robert being an illegitimate son of Henry I. Burke also names her as Avisa. Also known as Hawise, Joan, Eleanor. The Complete Peerage vol. V, pp 689-692. [From Burke's Peerage-see source for details] An undoubted Earl of Gloucester, perhaps the first authentic one, at any rate after the Conquest, is Robert FitzHamon's son-in-law, another Robert, who was an illegitimate son of Henry I and was so created 1122. The Earldom passed to his eldest son, William FitzRobert, and from him to John, later King John and husband from 1189 to 1199 (when he divorced her) of Isabel, the youngest of William FitzRobert's three daughters. On John's coming to the throne the title did not merge in the Crown for it was not his in his own right but in right of his wife. Isabel's situation now became that of a great heiress, for whoever she married next would gain the Earldom. John prevented her taking a second husband at all for the time being, however, and exchanged the Earldom of Gloucester with Aumarie de Montfort, son of William FitzRobert's eldest daughter Mabel, for the Comte of Evereux, which he then used as a dowry to secure the marriage of his niece Blanche with the King of France's son. Aumarie died childless and Isabel, who towards the end of John's reign married as her second husband Geoffrey de Mandeville, Earl of Essex and in right of his new wife now Earl of Gloucester too, died childless after marrying in the autumn of 1217 yet a third husband, Hubert de Burgh, Earl of Kent. The latter seems not to have been recognized as Earl of Gloucester as well as of Kent, despite his wife's undoubted possession of the former Earldom by the time of their marriage. But then she died only a few days later and her sister Amice, by now the only one of William FitzRobert's daughters still living, seems to have been recognized as Countess of Gloucester till her own death some seven and a half years later. On the other hand Amice's son Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Hertford or of Clare (usually called the latter), was apparently acknowledged as Earl of Gloucester in addition this other dignity from as soon as the month after his aunt Isabel's death back in 1217.

They had the following children:

	F	i	Helen de Lacy was born 1165 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England.
76322932	M	ii	Roger de Lacy was born about 1171 and died 1211.

152645866. Richard de Clare 4th Earl of Hertford is printed as #76322928.

152645867. Amicia Countess of Gloucester is printed as #76322929.

They had the following children:

	M	i	Richard (Roger) de Clare was born 1174/1202. He died 1228.
76322933	F	ii	Matilda de Clare was born about 1176 and died 1213.
	M	iii	Gilbert de Clare 3rd Earl of Hertford and Gloucester 1 was born 2 about 1180 in Hertford, Hertfordshire, England. He died 2 25 Oct 1230 in Penrose, Brittany, France and was buried 10 Nov 1230 in Tewksbury, Gloucestershire, England. Gilbert de Clare, 5th Earl of Hertford, who, after the decease of Geoffrey de Mandeville, Earl of Essex, the 2nd wife of Isabel, the divorced wife of King John, and in her right Earl of Gloucester, and her own decease, s.p., as also the decease of Almarick D'Evereux, son of the Earl of Evereux by Mabell, the other co-heiress, who likewise succeeded to the Earldom of Gloucester, became Earl of Gloucester, in right of his mother, Amicia, the other co-heiress. This nobleman was amongst the principal barons who took up arms against King John, and was appointed one of the twenty-five chosen to enforce the observance of Magna Carta. In the ensuing reign, still opposing the arbitrary proceedings of the crown, he fought on the side of the barons at Lincoln, and was taken prisoner there by William Marshall, Earl of Pembroke; but he soon afterwards made his peace. His lordship m. Isabel (who m. after his decease, Richard, Earl of Cornwall, brother of King Henry III), one of the daus., and eventually co-heiress of William Mareschal, Earl of Pembroke, by whom he had issue, Richard, his successor; William; Amicia, m. to Baldwin de Redvers, 4th Earl of Devon; Agnes; Isabel, m. to Robert de Brus. The earl d. in 1229 and was s. by his eldest son, Richard de Clare. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 119, Clare, Lords of Clare, Earls of Hertford, Earls of Gloucester]

They had the following children:

76322934	M	i	Robert de Quincy Earl of Lincoln was born about 1172 and died Aug 1257.
	M	ii	Roger de Quincy 2nd Earl of Winchester 1, 2 was born 1174 in Winchester, Hamptonshire, England. He died 3 25 Apr 1264 in Buckley, Northamptonshire, England.
	F	iii	Loretta de Quincy was born 1176 in Winchester, Hampshire, England.
	F	iv	Hawise de Quincy 1, 2 was born 1178 in Winchester, Hampshire, England. She died 1 after 3 Feb 1262 in Earls Colne, Essex, England.
	F	v	Orabella de Quincy 1 was born about 1185 in Winchester, Hampshire, England. She died after 1258.

152645870. Hugh de Kevelioc 5th Earl of Chester Vicomte de Avranches is printed as #117966926.

152645871. Bertrade de Montfort is printed as #117966927.

They had the following children:

76322935	F	i	Hawise de Meschines was born 1170 and died before 3 Mar 1242/1243.
	F	ii	Beatrix de Meschines was born about 1170 in Kevelioc, Monmouthshire, Wales.
	F	iii	Matilda de Kevelioc "Maud" 1, 2 was born 3 1171 in Chester, Chestershire, England. She died 6 Jan 1232/1233.
	M	iv	Ranulph de Blundeville Earl of Chester 4th was born about 1172. He died 1232.
	F	v	Mabel de Meschines 1, 2 was born about 1172 in Chester, Cheshire, England. She died before 1232 in Chester, Cheshire, England.
	F	vi	Helga de Meschines was born about 1173 in Kevelioc, Monmouthshire, Wales.
	F	vii	Agnes de Meschines 1, 2 was born about 1174 in Chester, Cheshire, England. She died 2 2 Nov 1247.
	F	viii	Amicia de Meschines was born about 1177 in Kevelioc, Merionethshire, Wales. She died in Chester, Cheshire, England. The earl had another dau., whose legitimacy is questionable, namely, Amicia, * m. to Ralph de Mesnilwarin, justice of Chester, "a person," says Dugdale, "of very ancient family," from which union the Mainwarings, of Over Peover, in the co. Chester, derive. Dugdale considers Amicia to be a dau. of the earl by a former wife. But Sir Peter Leicester, in his Antiquities of Chester, totally denies her legitimacy. "I cannot but mislike," says he, "the boldness and ignorance of that herald who gave to Mainwaring (late of Peover), the elder, the quartering of the Earl of Chester's arms; for if he ought of right to quarter that coat, then must he be descended from a co-heir to the Earl of Chester; but he was not; for the co-heirs of Earl Hugh married four of the greatest peers in the kingdom." * Upon the question of this lady's legitimacy there was a long paper war between Sir Peter Leicester and Sir Thomas Mainwaring---and eventually the matter was referred to the judges, of whose decision Wood says, "a tan assize held at Chester, 1675, the controversy was decided by the justices itinerant, who, as I have heard, adjudged the right of the matter to Mainwaring." [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, pp. 365-6, Meschines, Earls of Chester]

They had the following children:

	F	i	Nesta FitzGerald was born about 1145. She died 15 Jan 1203/1204.
76322936	M	ii	Gerald FitzMaurice 1st Baron of Offaly was born about 1150 and died before 15 Jan 1203/1204.
	M	iii	Thomas FitzMaurice FitzGerald Lord of Connello was born about 1153 in Wexford, Kildare, Ireland. He died 1213 in Shanid, Connello, Ireland.

He had the following children:

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Eve de Bermingham Heiress of Offaly was born 1165 and died before Dec 1226.

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