Ancestors of Robert Erwin William Juch
Eighteenth Generation
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147968. John Thornton 1 was born about 1470 in Cheshire, England. He married Dorothy Chelsham about 1494 in England.
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Captain (USN Retired) Richard Thornton Fox of Portsmouth, Virginia has provided the information for the Thornton Lineage. He states "My work is accurate as best I as I know, but it is not cast in concrete. I am receptive to change, but would request back up data from those who suggest corrections so all the records may match."
Richard Thornton Fox may be reached at 2412 Sterling Point
Drive, Portsmouth, VA 23703.
Please contact him as not all of his exhaustive work has been published on They Live Again at this time and he may be able to provide additional information you are interested in.
CHESHIRE / MIDDLESEX THORNTONS
According to Richard T. Fox, "the Thornton surname is said to have originated when the township of Thornton-le-Moors, near Chester in the county of Cheshire, was granted to Peter le Clerc Secretary to Randle Blundville, Earl of Chester. The grant was made by Richard de Aldford, Lord of the fee, of which Thornton was a part. Exactly why the grant was made is not known. The grant was made prior to 1150.
The name of Peter le Clerc's wife is not recorded. He did have issue. A daughter Agnes and a son Randle, who assumed the name Randle le Roter de Thornton, were both born in Thornton Parish, near Chester. Randle was also godson of Randle, Earl of Chester. Randle Thornton was probably born about 1150 and died before 28 Henry III (1243 A.D.). He had wed Amicia de Kingsley, who survived him.
Randle le Roter de Thornton and his wife Amicia had four children; Sir Peter le Roter de Thornton, Celia, Randle and Richard. Peter was born about 1176 and Cecilia about 1178. The birth dates of Randle and Richard are not known. Peter, as eldest son, succeded to his father's estate. peter did have issue but neither of his sons qualify as our ancestor since one died without grandchild male issue, and the other changed his name to Richard le Roter de Kingsley. Remaining candidates are two ancestors, Randle, who was Rector of Thornton Parish in the 52nd year of the reign of Henry III (1267 A.D.) and his brother Richard. But, since Randle was a Rector (of Roman Faith), it is improbable he ever married and so is not a likely ancestor.
From 1267 to the late 1400's the line of this descent is not known. However, in about 1472 the same family arms (with a different crest) appears in Middlesex, near London, in the person of John Thornton. John was said to have been a servant to Margaret, Countess of Richmond, and mother of King Henry. From that time until the mid-1600's, when Henry Thornton emigrated to Virginia, this lineage is well documented.
Most of the early lineage of the Thorntons is extracted from "The Ancestry of Jane Thornton of Spartanburg, S.C." by Dr. Ariel L. Crowley. Dr. Crowley was meticulous regarding references and research, and I consider his account authoritative for all practical purposes. Dr. Crowley's work carries this Thornton line down to about 1800 in Virginia."
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147969. Dorothy Chelsham 1 was born about 1468 in Chelsham, Surrey, England.
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148488. Ralph Blagrave 1, 2, 3 was born 1480 in Uttoxter, Stafford, England.
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149056. John Digges married Joanna Cliffton.
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149058. John Engham married Thomasyn Guldford.
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149059. Thomasyn Guldford.
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149060. Thomas Wilford married Rose Whetenhall.
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149062. Walter Culpeper married Anne Aucher.
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149064. Ralph St. Leger married Elizabeth (Isabel) Haute. [Parents]
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149065. Elizabeth (Isabel) Haute was born in Kent, England. [Parents]
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149068. George de Neville 2nd Lord of Bergavenny 1, 2, 3 was born 1440 in Raby Castle, Durham, England. He died 20 Sep 1492 in Lewes Sussex, England and was buried in St. Pancras Church, Lewes, Sussex, England. George married Margaret de Fenne on 1466 in Monmouthshire, Wales. [Parents]
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149069. Margaret de Fenne 1 was born 1444 in Sculton, Burdeleys, Norfolk, England. She died 25 Sep 1485 in England.
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149070. Edward de Stafford 1 married Eleanor de Percy.
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149071. Eleanor de Percy 1.
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149088. John Page married Daniel.
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149089. Daniel was born in West Wolsey, Surrey, England.
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149104. Sir Henry Wyatt 1 was born about 1460 in Allington Castle, Kent, England. He died 10 Mar 1537/1538 in Allington Castle, Boxley, Kent, England. Henry married Anne Skinner about 1499. [Parents]
http://www.burgoyne.com/pages/bdespain/famhis/bio82120.htm
A SKETCH OF THE LIFE OF Sir Henry Wiat (AD 1460--1537)
WRITTEN 1963 BY ERIC NORMAN SIMONS, Novelist and Writer, from The Queen and the Rebel: Mary Tudor and Wyatt the Younger, pp. 15ff., Chapter 1: The Men of Allington Castle
From Yorkshire to Allington Castle. The Great North Road, that bold Roman slash across the face of Britain, and down it, one fine day in 1492, a cavalcade, jingling and trotting towards the remote south! This cavalcade had come from the little village of Sothange (South Haigh or Upper Haigh) in the township of Kexbrough, near Darton, a trifle north-east of the Yorkshire town of Barnsley. At its head rode a remarkable man — Henry Wiat.
Two Years In Prison. He was remarkable because, though Yorkshire born, he supported the cause of Henry Tudor, the Lancastrian who claimed the throne of England. For this he had been jailed in Scotland in 'stocks and irons' for two years by Richard III, who is said to have watched him undergo torture. Among other things, he was forced to swallow mustard and vinegar, and was on the verge of death from starvation. Then, so the story went, he made a pet of and fondled a stray cat, whom he 'laid … on his bosom to warm him'. Puss grew so attached to him that each morning she deposited at his feet a pigeon pilfered from a neighbouring dovecote, which was later cooked for him by his compassionate jailer.
The family of Wyatt cherished for many years a half-length portrait of Henry in his cell. There in the picture, sure enough, is the cat, dragging through the grating of the cell a pigeon, which she is about to deliver to the prisoner. The painting is, however, not contemporary, having been produced long afterwards. It is, nevertheless, recorded that thereafter Henry Wiat 'would ever reck much of cats'. In fact, as a token of gratitude, he introduced to the dovecotes of Allington castle a strain of brown pigeons from Venice, which are as numerous there today as in his own time.
The basis for this story is a document preserved among the Romney Papers in the National Portrait Gallery, and if not true, it is certainly ben trovato.
Wiat Uprooted. The branch of the Wiat (or Wyatt) family of which Henry was the head sprang from Adam Wiat, whose spouse was the daughter of Wigen de Northwoods. Henry himself was the son of Richard Wiat and Margaret Bailiff, daughter and heiress of William Bailiff of Barnsley. He lived at Haigh Hall, the family seat, and both he and his family were Yorkshire through and through. At the time of this journey down the Great North Road he was 32. Henry VII had now been on the throne for about seven years, and the young man, his supporter, had high hopes of preferment at the King's hands. Strong in conviction and admirable in integrity, he had probably found life for the supporter of a man of the House of Lancaster (red rose) in the county of Yorkshire (white rose) far from being a bed of roses.
Learning one day that the great castle of Allington in Kent was for sale, he had bought it from its owner, Robert Brent, and was now on his way to take possession. Since Allington was within convenient riding distance of Westminster, he could now become a full-time courtier, and seek fortune at its proper source.
A Trusted Minister of Kings. It was not, indeed, many years before Henry Wiat became a man of influence and wealth, When Henry VII came to power, he granted Wiat by Letters Patent a 'parcel' of the Duchy of Lancaster in 1485, and the Yorkshire squire also bought from the marquis of Dorset an estate and mansion house known as 'The Mote', on the south side of Maidstone. In 1502 he married Anne Skinner, daughter of John Skinner of Reigate in Surrey. (One historian states that this young woman was a sister of the Earl of Surrey, but produces no evidence.)
In the following year, a son and heir was born at Allington, and was christened Thomas. He was to become famous. Henry Wiat continued to enjoy the favour of the King for many years and eventually became an executor of his will. When the boy of 9, Henry VIII, came to the throne, the Countess of Richmond nominated Henry Wiat a member of the Council for the management of affairs of State. This acted in the King's name until the youth was old enough to exercise full authority.
The new King Henry must have liked his guardian, for he granted to him the lands of Sir Richard Emson, namely the manor of, and right of appointing clergy to, Wooton. He also gave him some land at Quinton in Northamptonshire. Seneschal of Tickhill and Bradford, and of the lordship of Hatfield and Conisborough, Henry Wiat was also Constable of Lonestall and Armounderness. A seneschal was in effect a steward. A constable controlled the military forces of the King in the area concerned.
Henry Prospers. In 1507 he had the patronage of Barnes, which again gave him the right to present a suitable person to the benefice or office, and he was also the owner of several estates in Surrey, particularly at and near Camberwell. He was thus a man of enormous wealth and influence, and more important even than this — for the world in which he lived was one of great insecurity, and his posessions could all have been taken from him by a stroke of the pen — he was not only a close friend of the King, but also of his powerful Master Secretary, Thomas Cromwell [his son's namesake].
He had not gone without honours of a less material kind, for he had been made a Knight of the Bath at Henry VII's coronation, and because he fought skilfully and well at the Battle of Spurs in 1513, when the English in France won a notable victory, taking Tournai and Thérouanne,, he was made Knight Banneret. In 1521 he was appointed Keeper of the King's Jewels, a position of great trust and, in the following year, received a special licence from Henry VIII to 'disgavel' his lands in Kent. This meant that he was no longer compelled to divide them equally among any heirs he might have. In 1524, he was made Treasurer of the King's Chamber, an office he held till 1528.
Henry's Life Comes To an End. So this able man prospered until, in 1528, when he was rapidly becoming old, he gave up all his offices and retired to his castle, where he remained — accepting only in 1533 the nominal office of royal Sewerer--till his death in 1537. He was buried at Milton, near Gravesend. A monument is said to have been erected to his memory at Boxley, in Kent, and old inhabitants of that village are recorded as saying, 150 years ago, that they recalled the figure of a pigeon affixed to it, commemorative of his resuscitation by the cat; but sceptics have retorted that this bird was probably 'meant for an ostrich'. [Possibly a phoenix?]
Henry Wiat had a younger brother, who resided at Barking in Essex, and a sister who married a Drax of Woodhall. Haigh hall, his original home, passed into the hands of the Urtons, and so to a family of ironmasters named Cotton. Besides the celebrated Thomas Wyatt, he left two other children: Henry, who remained a private citizen, living in Kent; and Margaret, who married Sir Anthony Lee.
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149105. Anne Skinner 1, 2 was born about 1475 in Reigate, Surry, England. [Parents]
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Sir Henry Wyatt II 1, 2 was born about 1500 in Allington Castle, Boxley, Kent, England. He died about 1544. |
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Sir Thomas Wyatt "The Poet" was born about 1503 and died 11 Oct 1542. | |
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Margaret Wyatt 1, 2 was born about 1505 in Allington Castle, Boxley, Kent, England. |
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Mary Wyatt 1 was born about 1509 in Allington Castle, Boxley, Kent, England. |
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149106. Thomas Brooke 3rd Lord of Cobham 1 was born 1467 in Cowling, Kent, England. He died 19 Jul 1529 in England. Thomas married Dorothy Hayden. [Parents]
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149107. Dorothy Hayden 1, 2, 3 was born about 1465 in Baconthorpe, Norfolk, England. [Parents]
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149108. Sir Thomas Haute 1 was born about 1465 in of Waltham, Kent, England. He died 28 Nov 1502. Thomas married Isabel Frowicke about 1485. [Parents]
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149109. Isabel Frowicke 1 was born about 1465 in of Gunnersbury, Middlesex., England. She died after Jan 1517/1518. [Parents]
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Jane Haute 1 was born about 1486 in Bishopsbourne, Kent, England. She died after 26 May 1536. |
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Margery Haute 1 was born about 1487 in Bishopsbourne, Kent, England. She died 1540. |
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Sir William Haute was born about 1488 and died 16 Jun 1539. | |
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Haute 1 was born about 1490 in Bishopsbourne, Kent, England. |
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Agnes Haute 1 was born about 1492 in Bishopsbourne, Kent, England. |
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Elizabeth Haute 1 was born about 1494 in Bishopsbourne, Kent, England. |
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Alice Haute 1 was born about 1496 in Bishopsbourne, Kent, England. |
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149110. Sir Richard Guildford was born about 1455 in Groombridge, Kent, England. He died 28 Sep 1506. Richard married Anne de Pympe. [Parents]
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149111. Anne de Pympe was born about 1459 in Nettlestead, Kent, England. [Parents]
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149116. John Moyle was born about 1493 in England. He married Drury. [Parents]
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Thomas Moyle was born about 1515 and died 2 Oct 1560. |
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152576. William Harris 1, 2 was born 3 1445 in Prittwell, Essex, England. He died 3 about 1504 in Prittwell, Essex, England. William married Anne Jernegan about 1450 in Essex, England.
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152577. Anne Jernegan 1, 2, 3 was born 2, 3 about 1430 in Hertfordshire, England. [Parents]
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Sir Arthur Harris was born 1460 and died 1520. | |
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John Harris 1, 2 was born 1, 2 1453/1467 in Prittwell, Essex, England. He died 1, 2 8 Jun 1508 in Prittwell, Essex, England and was buried 2 in Church of St. Mary, Prittwell, Essex, England.
John signed a will 1, 2 8 Jun 1508 in Prittewell, Southminster Parish, Essex, England.
Notes by NoÃssl J. Harris Robertsonnnnnn >>>>>>>>>>>
More About JOHN HARRIS: Burial: Church of St. Mary near the Guild of the Name of Jesus Lived location: in the ancestral home at Prittlewell, Hadley, Eng. Will: 08 June 1508 Notes for JOHN HARRIS: He lived in the ancestral home at Prittlewell, and was buried in the Church of St. Mary, near the Guild of the Name of Jesus. He also possessed a house at Hadley, which he devised to his wife Joan. His will was dated 8 June 1508 and witnessed by the Rector of Hadley, John Johnson. Richard Bower is mentioned as being his servant. [I have his will, but it is Latin - and his Coat of Arms] NoÃssl & David Robertsonnnnnnn >>>>>>
More About JOHN HARRIS: Aka (Facts Pg): John Herris Burial: Church of St. Mary near the Guild of the Name of Jesus Lived location: in the ancestral home at Prittlewell, Hadley, Eng. Will: 08 June 1508.
IT IS NOT PROVEN THAT ARTHUR AND JOHN ARE BROTHERS AT THIS TIME (19 AUG 2000) it is not proven that John and Arthur Harris md the same Joan Percy Aka (Facts Pg): John Herris |
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